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by Curly! @, Great Pacific Northwet, Thursday, January 21, 2016, 16:41 (3571 days ago)
edited by Curly!, Thursday, January 21, 2016, 16:56

Good day to all;

One of the reasons I didn't make it to Zihuatanejo last year was that we were invited to a friend's place in Loreto in November. It was all very nice but I only mention this to set up what happened on the trip home, as many on the board here come through customs at LAX.

As we were heading out the door at LTO, to board the plane, my wife got pulled out of line for a random check. No big deal. It took two minutes and we were back together. If it helps catch a terrorist (which I sincerely doubt) we're more than happy to do our part. When we arrived at LAX, we were literally the only international flight that had landed recently. No lines... amazing! We got whisked right through immigration and customs. The longest part of the whole affair was the conversation the agent and my wife had regarding my wife's hair.

We had a four hour layover but we thought we'd get a bite to eat and chill at the gate, rather than try to fill the time with some sort of sight-seeing or anything. Good move on our part.

Leaving PDX, on the way down, we had pre-boarded online and both received passes so we didn't have to spend time going through the dog and pony at the gate, stripping and getting felt up (I seem to have some sort of issue with the body x-ray machines, they don't like me and I always have to get a pat-down). That pass is so nice I may actually pony up the ransom to get put on the permanent list. Or, I may just quit flying altogether.

Leaving LTO, we were not able to check-in online, so we did it at the ticket counter. My wife thought it odd that we couldn't do it online but I just chalked it up to being in Mexico. She was right, I was wrong... again.

When we tried to go through the gate at LAX, we were told that my wife would have to wait for someone to come check her out. They said I could go, but that she'd have to wait. Yeah, right, I'm going to just abandon my wife at LAX. We were told to wait "over there." As we were waiting, another couple suffered the same fate, then another. All three couples had come from Loreto, all were middle aged, and only the women were the ones that needed to talk to someone.

No one showed up for a full 15 minutes. I was getting irate and started making noise, demanding that I get to talk with someone who can inform us as to why we were being held up and ignored. Eventually someone did show and asked me to shut up... still no one to take care of whatever business they had with the three women though. As I say, it was a good 15 minutes waiting, not knowing why, in general being ignored.

When someone did show up, they just told my wife to follow them, with no "sorry about the wait" or explanation of what was going on. Then the fun started. After passing her bags through the machine, and passing her body through the other machine, they started removing every article from her bags. Not one single item was left as is. Cosmetic bags were gone through and the contents strewn about, after being opened, sniffed eyeballed and determined to not be explosives. Not so much as a hem of any pair of underwear was left unchecked. At one point 8 people were standing around going through my wife's stuff. Some were doing the searching, some were making sure she didn't try to bolt.

I was livid and was letting anyone within earshot know about it, speaking loudly to the people doing the searching and pretty much making a nuisance of myself. Pretty soon they brought out the goon to deal with me. I took things as close to the 'Curly gets arrested' line as I thought I should go. I absolutely felt helpless, abused, angry, and ashamed to be a US citizen. The other two women were undergoing the same treatment nearby, though their husbands had an easier time of toeing the line. The only other person I saw having to undergo the humility was an old guy on one of those three-wheeled, motorized carts, that could barely stand up using two crutches, the aluminum kind that have the arm braces. The dude was pretty much a paraplegic. After taking my wife to the room for the pat-down (no skin search.... freakin' slackers), they allowed her to repack her suitcase and cut her loose. That was a full hour and a half after we had first approached the check-in gate.

I was shaking so badly that I had to have a double bourbon to calm down. I've not know that much helpless rage before. Three middle-aged women and some poor, decrepit old gimp, forced to submit to their totally unnecessary cartoon at keeping people safe from terrorism. My view of who the terrorists really are is changing. I am no longer as "proud" to be an American" (in truth, I never really had a reason to be proud, I was just lucky enough to be born here).

These dedicated government tools are keeping the world protected from grandmothers and cripples. I feel so safe. It appears to me to be the "easy way out." Rather than actually do their job, and perhaps luck onto someone of real interest, they just punch the clock and draw their pay. Why take a chance on having to miss the second half of the Lakers game by actually stumbling onto a potentially dangerous individual?

Now for my advice. I saw someone asking about customs at LAX recently. I've always felt that an hour and few minutes lay-over time was enough, coming back from Z, assuming flights were all on time. We've done that dance many times. It's stressful but we've always made the connection. That never would have happened with the circus these A-holes put my wife through. And believe me, they didn't give a damn if we were missing a flight... they had a quota to meet (my assumption).

Check your boarding pass. If you have SSSS printed on it somewhere, you're in a heap of trouble and you're gonna be held up (go ahead, Google it). Somewhere, somehow, someone has assigned you to being detained and publicly humiliated in front of God and everybody. All in the name of keeping Amerika safe.

You're not in Kansas anymore. The TSA and its minions are out for their paycheck and they're gonna get it. And they'll make it as easy on themselves as possible. If you give them any crap, they'll put you on the Group W Bench and call in the goon, who will threaten you with arrest.

Other than that, Loreto was pretty nice. Not as nice as Z though.

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by HolyMole, Thursday, January 21, 2016, 17:29 (3571 days ago) @ Curly!

Same thing happened to Mrs. HolyMole at ZIH, on an Alaska ZIH/LAX flight a few years ago. We were told it was a TSA program and that she would be red-flagged on all our connecting flights as well....but, luckily, that didn't happen: no delays either at LA or at Seattle for our flight to Kelowna. My kneejerk reaction to "profiling" is that it's discriminatory and should be discouraged, but Mrs. H ??? Would they hassle Mrs. Doubtfire? Can I hear it for a little profiling?

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Thursday, January 21, 2016, 17:56 (3571 days ago) @ Curly!

I knew it wasn't my "Amerika" anymore when the former spy chief got elected president on the heels of the terrible actor who somehow avoided impeachment and jail even though he armed the people who eventually became Al Qaeda and his administration had more criminals in it than most municipal jails in Florida back when I still lived there.

Sorry to hear your wife got the special treatment. It's precisely that kind of humiliating treatment that will keep me from flying to the USA. You can have it. I enjoy my freedom and my dignity too much to put up with that silliness or to allow my loved ones to be treated as criminals and humiliated.

Heartless robotic bureaucrats play the silly charade of pretending to keep U.S. airline passengers safe while most good and decent citizens are blissfully unaware of the root cause of why there are people around the world who don't exactly love the USA to begin with, even though you currently have GOP presidential candidates who serve as stark reminders why that is so and you also have U.S. citizens who pose a bigger threat to public security than any foreigner.

Land of the free? Home of the brave? There was a time before Faux Snooze and Rush when that was true, but it's history now.

¡Viva México, cabrones! ¡Saludos! :vivamexico:

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by OlsenMN, Thursday, January 21, 2016, 18:29 (3571 days ago) @ ZihuaRob


Sorry to hear your wife got the special treatment. It's precisely that kind of humiliating treatment that will keep me from flying to the USA. You can have it. I enjoy my freedom and my dignity too much to put up with that silliness or to allow my loved ones to be treated as criminals and humiliated.

Blah, blah Rob. Some of us have family in the states and fly back and forth. Some (the tourists you seem to want to read your board and come to Zihuatanejo don't need to read that crap from you because they will fly to and from) Get over yourself.

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by Quadra Paul @, British Columbia, Thursday, January 21, 2016, 18:57 (3571 days ago) @ OlsenMN

Mr. Olsen. You seem to forget whose message board this is! If you don't want to read Rob's Rant, then DON'T!!

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by dhunsber @, ¡Dondequiera que voy, estoy aquí!, Friday, January 22, 2016, 09:28 (3570 days ago) @ Quadra Paul

Mr. Olsen. You seem to forget whose message board this is! If you don't want to read Rob's Rant, then DON'T!!

¡:megusta: !

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by cantinero46, Thursday, January 21, 2016, 18:32 (3571 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

Rob, seems its 55-to ? yrs old that they want to hassle,thank the lord were protected.

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by connie, Thursday, January 21, 2016, 21:58 (3571 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

That's about when I figured it out, too, Rob. Want to see how many Amerikans the actor killed? Watch the movie, "And the Band Played On!""

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by Mike from SF @, Thursday, January 21, 2016, 19:35 (3571 days ago) @ Curly!

Just read a few of your trip reports. Excellent.
Not that it matters but were you on Alaska Airlines?

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by Curly! @, Great Pacific Northwet, Friday, January 22, 2016, 15:20 (3570 days ago) @ Mike from SF

Yes, it was Alaska. Pretty much the only game in town if you want to fly into Loreto. They used to have a direct flight but that's gone now, they all go out of LA.

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by Gringo Viejo @, Kansas/Zihuatanejo, Thursday, January 21, 2016, 19:58 (3571 days ago) @ Curly!

Perhaps the TSA agents at the gate are just poor SOBs trying to get a paycheck---let's all remember not to shoot the messenger and s**t rolls downhill (translation: it all starts at the top in D.C and the blame for this lies there).

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by Curly! @, Great Pacific Northwet, Friday, January 22, 2016, 15:27 (3570 days ago) @ Gringo Viejo

Johhny Lunchbucket is solely responsible for his (or her) treatment of the people they come in contact with. I don't always appreciate my job the way I should but I don't treat people like trash just because I am dissatisfied at the moment.

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by K&B @, Thursday, January 21, 2016, 20:10 (3571 days ago) @ Curly!

How about a trip report about Loreto?

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by Curly! @, Great Pacific Northwet, Friday, January 22, 2016, 15:41 (3570 days ago) @ K&B

Ah, Loreto. I liked it but one has to go searching for Mexico. We were staying in a gringo community called Loreto Bay, which is pretty much like staying in a Palm Springs gated community, only on the Sea of Cortez. Nothing wrong with that and I enjoyed my time there. A friend has a very nice house and has been after us to come down for years. I finally gave in and am glad I did. I'd go back (the sooner the better). Free lodging is a very good thing, and my friends are superb hosts and revelers.

There are two missions close by. The one in town was the first mission on Baja. I believe they call it the Head and the Mother of the Baja missions. The one up in the mountains is a great visit, and trip. About an hour-thirty from Loreto Bay and you'd better have a 4WD vehicle.

I liked Loreto proper but there are many ex-pats around. The people I was staying with tend to congregate in the places where the ex-pats congregate. Again, nothing wrong with that, I just prefer a more down home kind of place, one where I can put my Spanglish to good use.

As I say, I had a great time (until LAX) and would/will return.

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by Pelicano, Thursday, January 21, 2016, 21:28 (3571 days ago) @ Curly!

Even with a Nexus/Global entry I've had the SSSS three times in two years flying out of YVR on Alaska, though it's been a quick and courteous extra check. You really got them fired up...:stirpot:

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by AngelaD @, Friday, January 22, 2016, 09:45 (3570 days ago) @ Pelicano

Curly - I'm so sorry you and your wife suffered such humiliation and embarrassment. I, too, would have felt helpless. But I'm the one who would have been screaming and shouting while my husband cooled his heals. He can be much more tolerant than I of stupidity.

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by Fran @, Evanston, IL, Friday, January 22, 2016, 12:25 (3570 days ago) @ Curly!

I sympathize with your wife. We go to Zihuatanejo twice a year. Several years ago leaving Zihuatanejo, I was pulled aside for a secondary search. I took it in stride. The next time we came, same thing. By then we recognized the SSSS in the corner where Pre-Check ought to be (we have Global Entry). So I asked the ticket agent when I saw it.

Agent said it was random. I pointed out it was twice in a row. She said I would have to speak with the airline. I did. They said it wasn't them. It was probably Zihuatanejo.

Third time (in a row), I considered it NOT random and again asked why. This time I was told I probably had the same name as someone on a Watch List. I asked him to look at my name. Anyone who knows my full name knows no one else in the entire universe has the same name as I do.

Let me point out that we are not brand loyal flyers. This happened on United, American and Aeromexico. And getting the dreaded SSSS in Zihuatanejo also means no Pre-Check on connecting flights. Also, SSSS did not come up on any other domestic or trans Atlantic flights we took.

After, as I recall, the fifth time, I filed Redress application with TSA. They investigated my request. After a few weeks, I got a note back from TSA telling me they investigated. They are not allowed to tell me what they found (or did not find) when they investigated. But they gave me a Redress Number to use. I used it the next time and didn't get pulled out. I have not used it again.

What if anything my contact with TSA did to resolve whatever the issue was, I'll never know but it seems done.

As an aside. On our last go-round with SSSS, my carry-on was a very fragile Katrina we bought in Calupa and I carried very carefully on the bus to Zihuatanejo. The Katrina was wrapped in about two rolls of toilet paper and taped into a makeshift box. I saw the SSSS andI was very upset about the prospect of having the whole thing unwrapped. Then it occurred to us: Just switch carry-ons. So we did. I took his carry-on, he took the Katrina and got on the plane. My bag was on the plane. His bag was searched. So much for security.

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by LadyM in Zihua, Friday, January 22, 2016, 23:16 (3570 days ago) @ Fran

Most people are just not nearly as quick and smart as you Fran. Nor as tolerant. That is why you are my female hero.

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by Fran @, Evanston, IL, Saturday, January 23, 2016, 11:01 (3569 days ago) @ LadyM in Zihua

Thank you, Carol. But it took me five tries before I got it right. Bit of a learning curve, I'd say.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Saturday, January 23, 2016, 12:01 (3569 days ago) @ Fran

Thank you, Carol. But it took me five tries before I got it right. Bit of a learning curve, I'd say.

If that had happened to me I'd probably still be in jail. No way would I have put up with that disgraceful humiliation.

Want to make "Amerika" great again? Stop letting the terrorists and the spineless politicians who enable them change your way of life! U.S. citizens used to be made of better stuff.

I wonder who put you on a watch list? The Freedom of Information Act is your friend. :devil:

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by Fran @, Evanston, IL, Saturday, January 23, 2016, 12:27 (3569 days ago) @ ZihuaRob

I am not sure FIA covers this kind of situation. When I got my letter from TSA with the redress number, it said they do not release the content of their findings. Or lack of findings.

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by cd69 @, Winnipeg,MB,Canada, Friday, January 22, 2016, 15:19 (3570 days ago) @ Curly!

As much as I can understand the inconvenience of being searched, I don't get your uproar about it. Aside random searches and quotas, yes you will be more at risk because of your age as guess what, many older folks are used as mules and it is a commonly known fact, especially coming back from Mexico and South/Central America. It used to be more of an issue with the 18-30 crowd but nowadays a lot of seniors are used to smuggle stuff into the US and Canada. I remember when working for the airlines making bets as to who would get searched and we were pretty accurate at it and this was many moons ago. Now terrorism as been added to the list of potential threats but often it is just the same old good reason you will get pulled. Get used to it!

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by Curly! @, Great Pacific Northwet, Friday, January 22, 2016, 15:47 (3570 days ago) @ cd69

"As much as I can understand the inconvenience of being searched, I don't get your uproar about it."

I don't care that you don't get it. I care that in the eyes of the government, down here, the citizens are now to be considered the bad guys. Guilty until proven innocent and all that.

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by Fran @, Evanston, IL, Friday, January 22, 2016, 16:36 (3570 days ago) @ Curly!

I found it disconcerting that for some reason, impossible for me to fathom, I was on someone's list. And I will never know why or what list.

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by Quadra Paul @, British Columbia, Friday, January 22, 2016, 21:31 (3570 days ago) @ Fran

Much as I love and admire Americans (most of them,anyway) when I read stuff like this I am forever grateful that I do not live in your country. We have found a way to travel to our beloved Zihua without touching down in the US, and ever since then, our traveling lives have been much less stressful and a lot more enjoyable!

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by Dave&Betty @, Los Altos, CA, Friday, January 22, 2016, 16:40 (3570 days ago) @ Curly!
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Just a question, Has anyone ever gotten the SSSS on a boarding pass printed out at home? We always print out our boarding passes the night before a flight and as far as I know have never gotten the dreaded SSSS, at least we have never had a problem except for the "Red Light" in ZIH.

We are both in Global Entry but from what I read that's no guarantee of clear sailing.

Never mind, I just read that anyone on the SSSS list cannot print their boarding passes at home or use a kiosk to check in, they must go to a check in counter.

Guess we're not on the list.

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by dhunsber @, ¡Dondequiera que voy, estoy aquí!, Saturday, January 23, 2016, 08:28 (3569 days ago) @ Dave&Betty

Just a question, Has anyone ever gotten the SSSS on a boarding pass printed out at home?

Our daughter did, just after 9-11-2001. She was in Michigan visiting us on 9-11 and was scheduled to return to AZ the next day. Since flights had been grounded, she couldn't get out until the 14th and apparently because she had been rescheduled she had a red folder-wielding pre-TSA friend waiting for her and she got the treatment that Curly described. For at least three years thereafter she always got pulled aside for closer scrutiny whenever.wherever she flew.

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by Fran @, Evanston, IL, Saturday, January 23, 2016, 12:23 (3569 days ago) @ Dave&Betty

I also have Global Entry which meant I passed that background check. It never made any sense to me. But I am convinced whatever the circumstances, random selection was not the explanation.