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<title>Las Gatas shootings (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The road behind offers a quick getaway to the highway connector in the centre of la ropa. The police wouldnt have even gotten in their cars. But this follow up visit suggests that they thought the perps were still nearby? That many vehicles wouldnt have been used to find evidence.</p>
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<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2025 19:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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<title>Perceptions of Risk and Real Risk (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, people generally make decisions based on perceptions. Therefore it is important to ensure that our perceptions are realistic, based on reality. Poorly informed people will form opinions based more on fears and prejudices. As a reasonable, rational person becomes more informed they modify their perceptions and make better decisions. </p>
<p>I recall reading, many years ago during my studies, that the demographic group that <strong>perceived</strong> themselves as being at least risk of being a victim of non-partner violence was males 15-24. The demographic group that <strong>perceived</strong> themselves as being at most risk of being a victim of non-partner violence was males 65+. </p>
<p>The reality was the opposite. Young males were most at risk and older males at least risk. </p>
<p>As one of those 65+ males now, I remind myself to make reality-based decisions, not fear-based reactions.</p>
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<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2025 17:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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<title>Behaving Badly (reply)</title>
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<title>Perceptions of Risk and Real Risk (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am someone that has been going to Zihua for decades too. So I do get what you say about changes. But in terms of violence and murders, if anything there is less now than in the 80's for example. Ask Rob about what was going on in that area and who was perpetrating a lot of the crimes. People just disappearing, never to be seen again. Lots of bodies dropping. In 40+ years I can count on one hand the amount of foreigners that died in Zihua, Ixtapa and nearby from violence and nobody got done from being at the wrong place at the wrong time. The biggest threat for foreigners, especially in the off peak season, is carjacking. It is more likely for me and you to get shot by an errand bullet in our home town than in Zihua. Especially for you! One thing that has not changed yet in Zihua is that hard to define vibe and the fact it has not been americanized yet. No tall buildings, no american restaurants and it does not feel like a typical tourist place. I still very much enjoy the music scene there and the fact I can walk around anytime and not feeling at risk. As a tourist, I do not feel like a target. This is becoming a rare commodity all over the world.</p>
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<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2025 08:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But my perception of risk is what will make my decision. The shootings at Las Gatas are particularly troubling as there’s really no easy way out. Much of what initially drew us to the area a couple of decades ago is going away.</p>
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<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2025 04:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Yeah, yeah. </p>
<p>You probably also heard that a bunch of tourists visiting the Capital on January 6, 2021 were attacked by police.</p>
<p>Members of organized crime groups generally have enough money to stay in hotels, lay low, and not draw attention to themselves.</p>
</blockquote><p>I don’t have a horse in this race just sharing crime incidents in the region that have affected foreigners but since you’re the apparent voice of truth in troncones it was at the McCabes residence and I believe they’ve since sold the home. Feel free to inquire with your neighbors if you want I really don’t care.</p>
<p>How this has anything to do with Jan 6th is beyond me but take care.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, yeah. </p>
<p>You probably also heard that a bunch of tourists visiting the Capital on January 6, 2021 were attacked by police.</p>
<p>Members of organized crime groups generally have enough money to stay in hotels, lay low, and not draw attention to themselves.</p>
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<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2025 03:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My brother-in-law was a career police officer. He told me that most non-criminals are more likely to die in a vehicle collision than by homicide. </p>
<p>I suspect that as an emergency department physician you saw more people who needed medical attention due to accidents, sports injuries, stupidity, etc. than due to “collateral damage” from criminal actions.</p>
<p>I have seen more “walking wounded” as the result of parasailing and banana boats than I have with wounds.</p>
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<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2025 03:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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<title>Las Gatas shootings (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>We've moved on to Troncones, it seems pretty civilized. We do carry our Molson's &quot;I am Canadian&quot; hat (given to us by our good friend Roberto!) just in case we need it but so far that has not been the case. We'll be back before you know it. <img src="images/smilies/coolshades.gif" alt="B-)" title="cool" /></p>
</blockquote><p>Most of this is just wrong place wrong time for foreigners. Nothing to do with what country you’re from.</p>
<p>There was a surf family that owned some years ago and was tied up and blind folded in their home at south end of troncones simply because those cartel people (not troncones cartel) were passing thru and wanted somewhere to shower and drink beer.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While they are targeting other cartel members, unfortunately the bullets they fire don’t know that. I am concerned about being in a cross fire.</p>
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<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2025 02:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read this about shootings in Los Gatas. This combined with the caretaker's murder is very alarming. <br />
Have you any  thoughts about La Ropa during Christmas. I was there last year and all was normal. But I stayed mainly on La Ropa. Did go into town a few times...and had to do my traditional Sunday morning walk from la Ropa into town centre. I've been doing this walk since 1974!  <br />
A question Rob...Are hotels at any risk by this violence or are the victims targeted by rival criminals and hotels are off limits? sort of thing.<br />
My habit is a sunrise walk on the beach every day and have always felt very safe. But I am thinking about Timmac's comment about that very important sense of safety...Los Gatas is just &quot;over there&quot; so close! I stay at the Catalina and I think the security there is efficient? <br />
I appreciate any input as to my safety concerns...Actually just reassure me by saying  'Go, feel safe and you'll be fine! &quot;<br />
Feels impossible that I would come to any harm in one of my spiritual, soul nourishing places on the planet.</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2025 22:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We've moved on to Troncones, it seems pretty civilized. We do carry our Molson's &quot;I am Canadian&quot; hat (given to us by our good friend Roberto!) just in case we need it but so far that has not been the case. We'll be back before you know it. <img src="images/smilies/coolshades.gif" alt="B-)" title="cool" /></p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2025 20:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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<title>Una Clarificación (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Si, como dice Carin Leon, es importante lo que informe, lo informe bien.</p>
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<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2025 22:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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<title>Una Clarificación (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote><blockquote><p>Si,siempre puedo dormir bien y siempre tranquilon.</p>
<p>Just curious as to how a formal regulated &quot;vote&quot; was not honored.</p>
<p>Que tenga un noche tranquila y un sueno reparador.</p>
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Seriously? You're not connecting the dots here? After promising to respect our vote, dogs were banned from La Ropa and La Madera beaches. All the local hotels and restaurant operators were betrayed. They knew that decision would cost them clients, and it turns out they were spot on in their concerns. But since the local politicians who imposed the Blue Flag rules live from the public dole (and cement) and not tourism, it looks like they couldn't care less.</p>
<p>Duermo como angelito al lado del amor de mi vida todas las noches. Soy de los más afortunados. Por eso me conocen como <strong><a href="https://zihuatanejo.net/blog/2018/08/09/the-luckiest-gringo-in-mexico-part-3-4/">El Gringo Más Afortunado de México</a></strong>.</p>
<p>Un saludo.</p>
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It’s pretty nice not having dogs shitting everywhere and attacking the children.</p>
</blockquote><p>That was never the problem, and it still isn't at beaches where they're allowed with their family members. The only dogs that were and still sometimes are a problem at beaches are dogs without their owners, a totally different subject altogether. But if that's your criteria for beaches, there's always Miami. Since you don't live from our local tourism, the stupid rules don't affect your patrimony like they do everyone else's. It's always a shame to have some tourists like you put their own interests above the interests of the people who actually live and work where they visit. What was Max saying about you being a &quot;respectable surfer&quot;? You might want to try to carry that over into the rest of your life. <img src="images/smilies/wink.gif" alt=";-)" title="wink" /> <br />
Un saludo.</p>
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<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2025 14:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It’s pretty nice not having dogs shitting everywhere and attacking the children.</p>
</blockquote><p>I guess dogs are like people on a message board.</p>
<p>The vast majority are pleasant and civil.</p>
<p>Rob puts up with the rare one that displays asocial or anti-social behaviour. <img src="images/smilies/wink.gif" alt=";-)" title="wink" /> </p>
<p>It each instance, deal with the problem individuals, don’t ban everyone from the board or from the beach.</p>
<p>As I tell potential guests who have dogs, I prefer well-behaved dogs over poorly behaving humans.</p>
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<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2025 12:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote><p>Si,siempre puedo dormir bien y siempre tranquilon.</p>
<p>Just curious as to how a formal regulated &quot;vote&quot; was not honored.</p>
<p>Que tenga un noche tranquila y un sueno reparador.</p>
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Seriously? You're not connecting the dots here? After promising to respect our vote, dogs were banned from La Ropa and La Madera beaches. All the local hotels and restaurant operators were betrayed. They knew that decision would cost them clients, and it turns out they were spot on in their concerns. But since the local politicians who imposed the Blue Flag rules live from the public dole (and cement) and not tourism, it looks like they couldn't care less.</p>
<p>Duermo como angelito al lado del amor de mi vida todas las noches. Soy de los más afortunados. Por eso me conocen como <strong><a href="https://zihuatanejo.net/blog/2018/08/09/the-luckiest-gringo-in-mexico-part-3-4/">El Gringo Más Afortunado de México</a></strong>.</p>
<p>Un saludo.</p>
</blockquote><p>It’s pretty nice not having dogs shitting everywhere and attacking the children.</p>
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<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2025 04:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Si,siempre puedo dormir bien y siempre tranquilon.</p>
<p>Just curious as to how a formal regulated &quot;vote&quot; was not honored.</p>
<p>Que tenga un noche tranquila y un sueno reparador.</p>
</blockquote><p>Seriously? You're not connecting the dots here? After promising to respect our vote, dogs were banned from La Ropa and La Madera beaches. All the local hotels and restaurant operators were betrayed. They knew that decision would cost them clients, and it turns out they were spot on in their concerns. But since the local politicians who imposed the Blue Flag rules live from the public dole (and cement) and not tourism, it looks like they couldn't care less.</p>
<p>Duermo como angelito al lado del amor de mi vida todas las noches. Soy de los más afortunados. Por eso me conocen como <strong><a href="https://zihuatanejo.net/blog/2018/08/09/the-luckiest-gringo-in-mexico-part-3-4/">El Gringo Más Afortunado de México</a></strong>.</p>
<p>Un saludo.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Si,siempre puedo dormir bien y siempre tranquilon.</p>
<p>Just curious as to how a formal regulated &quot;vote&quot; was not honored.</p>
<p>Que tenga un noche tranquila y un sueno reparador.</p>
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<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2025 01:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I had the good fortune of attending a birthday celebration last night consisting of generational Locals who own businesses in Zih and Ixt and they clarified that the matter of dogs on La Ropa was not a public vote, but a community hearing like event where some shared there opinion opposing the change.</p>
</blockquote><p>I can see you're quite obsessed with this. Yes. Over a hundred hotel, lodging and restaurant owners along with some concerned citizens and tourism experts were there. The people with the most knowledge, the most affected and those with a direct interest on the matter. Only two people were in favor of banning pets from beaches. We were assured by Liz that our vote would be respected. Less than two months later we learned that was a lie. Since that time thousands of citizens have also expressed their objection to the imposition of the Blue Flag rules. All you had to do to find all this out is search right here in the Message Board where it's been discussed. I hope you'll be able to sleep better now.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had the good fortune of attending a birthday celebration last night consisting of generational Locals who own businesses in Zih and Ixt and they clarified that the matter of dogs on La Ropa was not a public vote, but a community hearing like event where some shared there opinion opposing the change.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is correct, I was not there nor aware the matter was voted upon by the community. What year did this occur? Thanks for being a great resource!</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Can you assist this topic and provide dates of the Vote and confirm you are able to Vote?</p>
<p>I am able to Vote and I do not recall this opportunity. </p>
<p>Mil gracias.</p>
</blockquote><p>You had to be there. Obviously you weren't.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If I was planning to murder a few competitors, the last place I'd pick is Las Gatas. How'd they get away? Wait for a panga?</p>
</blockquote><p>They probably live nearby and simply walked home.</p>
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First, laws are, in principle, written by the powerful (read wealthy). They are written not to serve the people, but to serve those who created them. </p>
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In the US, laws are written by elected representatives of the people. You vote for a representative who reflects your interests.</p>
</blockquote><p>The US form of elections is based on rich cats that distinguish between themselves, while making rules over the mice.  The common people are the mice. You don’t vote for a representative who reflects your interests. You choose between two cats, each of which reflects the interests of cats.</p>
<p>There are a few exceptions. Bernie Sanders comes to mind. Maybe Zohran Mamdani, we’ll see.</p>
<p><a href="https://youtu.be/GqgOvzUeiAA?si=O4_nCt7mlJs9VyI5">Mouseland</a></p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I was planning to murder a few competitors, the last place I'd pick is Las Gatas. How'd they get away? Wait for a panga?</p>
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