What are we are referred to as? Needs to be put to rest.

by Keytime @, Monday, June 15, 2026, 19:40 (2 days ago)

Citizens from different countries and regions of the Americas are typically identified as follows: Can we put this one to rest for once?

North America
Canada: Canadians
Mexico: Mexicans
United States: Americans
Greenland: Greenlanders

Central America & The Caribbean
Belize: Belizeans
Costa Rica: Costa Ricans
Cuba: Cubans
Dominican Republic: Dominicans
El Salvador: Salvadorans
Guatemala: Guatemalans
Haiti: Haitians
Honduras: Hondurans
Jamaica: Jamaicans
Nicaragua: Nicaraguans
Panama: Panamanians
Trinidad and Tobago: Trinidadians and Tobagonians

South America
Argentina: Argentines / Argentinians
Bolivia: Bolivians
Brazil: Brazilians
Chile: Chileans
Colombia: Colombians
Ecuador: Ecuadorians
Guyana: Guyanese
Paraguay: Paraguayans
Peru: Peruvians
Suriname: Surinamese
Uruguay: Uruguayans
Venezuela: Venezuelans

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What are we are referred to as? Needs to be put to rest.

by Talley Ho @, Playa la Ropa, Monday, June 15, 2026, 19:48 (2 days ago) @ Keytime

Zankas

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What are we are referred to as? Needs to be put to rest.

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Monday, June 15, 2026, 20:38 (2 days ago) @ Keytime

Citizens from different countries and regions of the Americas are typically identified as follows: Can we put this one to rest for once?

North America
Canada: Canadians
Mexico: Mexicans
United States: Americans
Greenland: Greenlanders

Central America & The Caribbean
Belize: Belizeans
Costa Rica: Costa Ricans
Cuba: Cubans
Dominican Republic: Dominicans
El Salvador: Salvadorans
Guatemala: Guatemalans
Haiti: Haitians
Honduras: Hondurans
Jamaica: Jamaicans
Nicaragua: Nicaraguans
Panama: Panamanians
Trinidad and Tobago: Trinidadians and Tobagonians

South America
Argentina: Argentines / Argentinians
Bolivia: Bolivians
Brazil: Brazilians
Chile: Chileans
Colombia: Colombians
Ecuador: Ecuadorians
Guyana: Guyanese
Paraguay: Paraguayans
Peru: Peruvians
Suriname: Surinamese
Uruguay: Uruguayans
Venezuela: Venezuelans

:rollingonthefloorlaughing: Sorry, but there is no country called America. People from the USA are U.S. citizens, erroneously called Americans because they've apparently been unable to agree on an appropriate demonym, but America is not a country, it's a supercontinent that we are all part of here. So that's why many of us in Mexico and throughout the continent are rooting for the American teams at the Copa Mundial, and not necessarily for the USA.

Keep trying. You'll eventually get the hang of it. ;-)

What are we are referred to as? Needs to be put to rest.

by taylor, Monday, June 15, 2026, 21:07 (1 day, 23 hours, 56 min. ago) @ ZihuaRob

Citizens from different countries and regions of the Americas are typically identified as follows: Can we put this one to rest for once?

North America
Canada: Canadians
Mexico: Mexicans
United States: Americans
Greenland: Greenlanders

Central America & The Caribbean
Belize: Belizeans
Costa Rica: Costa Ricans
Cuba: Cubans
Dominican Republic: Dominicans
El Salvador: Salvadorans
Guatemala: Guatemalans
Haiti: Haitians
Honduras: Hondurans
Jamaica: Jamaicans
Nicaragua: Nicaraguans
Panama: Panamanians
Trinidad and Tobago: Trinidadians and Tobagonians

South America
Argentina: Argentines / Argentinians
Bolivia: Bolivians
Brazil: Brazilians
Chile: Chileans
Colombia: Colombians
Ecuador: Ecuadorians
Guyana: Guyanese
Paraguay: Paraguayans
Peru: Peruvians
Suriname: Surinamese
Uruguay: Uruguayans
Venezuela: Venezuelans


:rollingonthefloorlaughing: Sorry, but there is no country called America. People from the USA are U.S. citizens, erroneously called Americans because they've apparently been unable to agree on an appropriate demonym, but America is not a country, it's a supercontinent that we are all part of here. So that's why many of us in Mexico and throughout the continent are rooting for the American teams at the Copa Mundial, and not necessarily for the USA.

Keep trying. You'll eventually get the hang of it. ;-)

Keytime stated that citizens of the United States are typically “referred to” or “identified “ as Americans. This is undoubtedly true.

What are we are referred to as? Needs to be put to rest.

by Padrino ⌂ @, Rosarito/Zihuatanejo, Monday, June 15, 2026, 23:00 (1 day, 22 hours, 2 min. ago) @ taylor

My favorite way to refer to myself is to use the Spanish term Estadounidense but instead to translate it to "UnitedStater." English speakers look at you funny but they get the idea.

We have had this conversation before, yes? Will it be put to rest? I doubt it.

What are we are referred to as? Needs to be put to rest.

by Little Guy @, Tuesday, June 16, 2026, 14:31 (1 day, 6 hours, 31 min. ago) @ Padrino

I enjoy being pedantic as much as the next guy.

No wait, the next person, because it might not be a guy.

No wait, what if the next person doesn’t like n]being pedantic and I do?

What if the next person refers to my avocado salad as being a vegetable salad and I insist it is a fruit salad? And they object to my insistence that his bananas are berries?

Regarding your attempt to use the term, “Estadounidense”, no doubt someone will point out that Mexico is actually the Estados Unidos Mexicanos, so you are no further ahead.

What are we are referred to as? Needs to be put to rest.

by Padrino ⌂ @, Rosarito/Zihuatanejo, Tuesday, June 16, 2026, 15:20 (1 day, 5 hours, 42 min. ago) @ Little Guy

Regarding your attempt to use the term, “Estadounidense”, no doubt someone will point out that Mexico is actually the Estados Unidos Mexicanos, so you are no further ahead.

Uh, well, um, Estadounidense is the word that I have heard Mexicans use. I looked it up in my SpanishDict application and the application translated it as American. So, um, that is what I thought would be useful to translate back into English. And, well, yes, I guess Estadounidense could technically also connote a Mexican citizen. Ah, sorry.

How 'bout, "Clueless Gringo enamored with Zihuatanejo, Mexico, originally from the country north of Mexico that invaded Mexico three times?"

(I guess you just can't please everyone, eh?)

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What are we are referred to as? Needs to be put to rest.

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Tuesday, June 16, 2026, 16:50 (1 day, 4 hours, 12 min. ago) @ Little Guy

I enjoy being pedantic as much as the next guy.

No wait, the next person, because it might not be a guy.

No wait, what if the next person doesn’t like n]being pedantic and I do?

What if the next person refers to my avocado salad as being a vegetable salad and I insist it is a fruit salad? And they object to my insistence that his bananas are berries?

Regarding your attempt to use the term, “Estadounidense”, no doubt someone will point out that Mexico is actually the Estados Unidos Mexicanos, so you are no further ahead.

If you want to make an accurate comparison, Estados Unidos Mexicanos is not the same as saying Estados Unidos de México. Mexico isn't the nation lacking a demonym like the USA. Mexico is a country. America is a supercontinent, not a country, and throughout America's history since long before there was a United States of America the rest of America has referred to their collective selves as Americans. All U.S. citizens have to do is consult their passports to see that under Nationality it does NOT say "American". They don't have a proper demonym. They keep using the continent, which before there was a USA, was the common way for Europeans to refer to everyone on this land mass, which is where the confusion originated.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/America

At the bottom of this page you'll see where it says "Forum time: 2026-06-16, 16:36 (America/Mexico_City)."

What are we are referred to as? Needs to be put to rest.

by Keytime @, Tuesday, June 16, 2026, 08:10 (1 day, 12 hours, 52 min. ago) @ ZihuaRob

I once got into a wrestling match with a pig. Slopping around in the mud and slime for what seamed like hours. As I was exhausted, I soon started to realize that the pig was enjoying itself.

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Estadounidenses y su gentilicio

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Tuesday, June 16, 2026, 13:57 (1 day, 7 hours, 5 min. ago) @ Keytime

I once got into a wrestling match with a pig. Slopping around in the mud and slime for what seamed like hours. As I was exhausted, I soon started to realize that the pig was enjoying itself.

Doesn't paint a very pretty picture of you. If that's a metaphor for what you came here to do, it looks like your plan backfired. Look closely at your list and notice what all the countries you list have in common with their demonyms except the USA. One of these things is NOT like the other. Have a nice day! :-)

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Estadounidenses y su gentilicio

by Ray @, Zihuatanejo, Mexico and Chicago, IL USA, Tuesday, June 16, 2026, 22:33 (22 hours, 29 minutes ago) @ ZihuaRob

I once got into a wrestling match with a pig. Slopping around in the mud and slime for what seamed like hours. As I was exhausted, I soon started to realize that the pig was enjoying itself.


Doesn't paint a very pretty picture of you. If that's a metaphor for what you came here to do, it looks like your plan backfired. Look closely at your list and notice what all the countries you list have in common with their demonyms except the USA. One of these things is NOT like the other. Have a nice day! :-)

Ho hum! Rob, your habitual need to tell us Americans that we really can't call ourselves "Americans" because America is a continent not a country, is tiresome. No matter how many times you say it, most of us will take exception because your "argument" is pedantic, as impractical as it is unpopular. My nationality is USA. I'm an American. Have a nice day.

Estadounidenses y su gentilicio

by Little Guy @, Tuesday, June 16, 2026, 22:55 (22 hours, 7 minutes ago) @ Ray

I thought this quote from the link that Rob provided was interesting.

FREDONIA, FREDONIAN, FREDE, FREDISH, &c. &c. These extraordinary words, which have been deservedly ridiculed here as well as in England, were proposed sometime ago, and countenanced by two or three individuals, as names for the territory and people of the United States.

The general term American is now commonly understood (at least in all places where the English language is spoken,) to mean an inhabitant of the United States
; and is so employed, except where unusual precision of language is required.

[John Pickering, "A Vocabulary, or Collection of Words and Phrases Which Have Been Supposed to be Peculiar to the United States of America," Boston, 1816]

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Estadounidenses y su gentilicio

by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, June 17, 2026, 13:09 (7 hours, 53 minutes ago) @ Little Guy

I thought this quote from the link that Rob provided was interesting.

FREDONIA, FREDONIAN, FREDE, FREDISH, &c. &c. These extraordinary words, which have been deservedly ridiculed here as well as in England, were proposed sometime ago, and countenanced by two or three individuals, as names for the territory and people of the United States.

The general term American is now commonly understood (at least in all places where the English language is spoken,) to mean an inhabitant of the United States
; and is so employed, except where unusual precision of language is required.

[John Pickering, "A Vocabulary, or Collection of Words and Phrases Which Have Been Supposed to be Peculiar to the United States of America," Boston, 1816]

Apparently, I prefer a precise use of language, as do many of the 659,000,000 other Americans who live south of the Río Bravo and in the Caribbean. Unfortunately, Canadians don't seem to share our point of view due to their phobia of being confused for Gringos. Be thankful I put the English version of the word's etymology. The Spanish version isn't quite so kind to people who use America as the name of a country and American as a demonym. ;-)

Un saludo, amigo.

Precise or General

by Little Guy @, Wednesday, June 17, 2026, 14:20 (6 hours, 42 minutes ago) @ ZihuaRob

Apparently, I prefer a precise use of language, as do many of the 659,000,000 other Americans who live south of the Río Bravo and in the Caribbean. Unfortunately, Canadians don't seem to share our point of view due to their phobia of being confused for Gringos. Be thankful I put the English version of the word's etymology. The Spanish version isn't quite so kind to people who use America as the name of a country and American as a demonym. ;-)

Un saludo, amigo.

As a Canadian, I don’t object to being referred to as a gringo, as do my friends in Mexico from France and Austria and Australia, even though none of us is Greek.

What are the origin, meaning and connotations of “gringo” in Spanish?

The overwhelming evidence is that gringo originated in Spain in the 1700s or earlier from griego, ‘Greek’, in the sense of unintelligible language. It applied first to language, but soon after also to those who spoke it. As the word spread throughout the Spanish-speaking Americas it kept this general meaning,…

And,

But already in those days there were folk etymologies around. For instance B. Vinuña MacKenna in História de Valparaiso, Valparaiso, 1869, records the “ingenious theory” popular in Valparaiso among “both gringos and natives” that gringo comes from a verse in a Scottish song, “green grow the rushes, O”. He explains however that:

The word "gringo ," which has given rise to so many false interpretations, such as that of Valparaiso , is derived simply from a Spanish proverb, or rather, from the degeneration of a word from it. " To speak in Greek ," the ancient Spaniards would say for that which they did not understand, and later the same expression was commonly used: to speak in "gringo ." From this came the saying that when people in America first began to see English people, and not understanding their language, they said that they spoke in "gringo ," and from this is still why the common people, in Chile as in Venezuela, in Buenos Aires as in Mexico, call all foreigners "gringos ," even if they were born in Leipzig or Copenhagen.

Rather than a “precise use of language”, I suggest you are practicing a “general use of language”.

People from EU countries are not likely to often refer to themselves using the general term “European”. They are more likely to use a more precise term such as French, Austrian, Greek, German, etc. People from Asia are likely to refer to themselves using precise terms such as Vietnamese, Thai, Laotian, etc., not the more general “Asian”.

Similarly, people from the Americas are likely to refer to themselves more precisely than more generally. My colleague from Chile referred to himself as Chilean. My coworker from Paraguay referred to her self as Paraguayan. These people didn’t refer to themselves as “American” any more than my colleague from New Zealand would refer to herself as being an Oceanian. She was a New Zealander or colloquially, a Kiwi.

The origin of the word “terrific” relates to terror. Something that inspired terror was terrific. But that is not how it is now understood. A Stephen King movie might be referred to as terrific, but a brilliant comedy might be considered to be a terrific movie as well.

I suggest it is useful to use language as it is understood.

I also suggest it is respectful to refer to people as they self-identify. I met a woman in Troncones who spoke unaccented English and spoke Spanish fluently. She lived and worked at her business in Canada seasonally. I asked her whether she was “Mexican”.

She didn’t answer yes or no. She said, “I am Maya.” I henceforth referred to her as being “Maya” as that was her preferred identity.

I hope that all will refer to people as being American if that is how they self-identify; Mexican if that is how they self-identify; or Canadian if that is how they self-identify. And yes, Québécois if that is how they self-identify.

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by ZihuaRob ⌂ @, Zihuatanejo, México, Wednesday, June 17, 2026, 17:27 (3 hours, 35 minutes ago) @ Little Guy

Apparently, I prefer a precise use of language, as do many of the 659,000,000 other Americans who live south of the Río Bravo and in the Caribbean. Unfortunately, Canadians don't seem to share our point of view due to their phobia of being confused for Gringos. Be thankful I put the English version of the word's etymology. The Spanish version isn't quite so kind to people who use America as the name of a country and American as a demonym. ;-)

Un saludo, amigo.


As a Canadian, I don’t object to being referred to as a gringo, as do my friends in Mexico from France and Austria and Australia, even though none of us is Greek.

What are the origin, meaning and connotations of “gringo” in Spanish?

The overwhelming evidence is that gringo originated in Spain in the 1700s or earlier from griego, ‘Greek’, in the sense of unintelligible language. It applied first to language, but soon after also to those who spoke it. As the word spread throughout the Spanish-speaking Americas it kept this general meaning,…

And,

But already in those days there were folk etymologies around. For instance B. Vinuña MacKenna in História de Valparaiso, Valparaiso, 1869, records the “ingenious theory” popular in Valparaiso among “both gringos and natives” that gringo comes from a verse in a Scottish song, “green grow the rushes, O”. He explains however that:

The word "gringo ," which has given rise to so many false interpretations, such as that of Valparaiso , is derived simply from a Spanish proverb, or rather, from the degeneration of a word from it. " To speak in Greek ," the ancient Spaniards would say for that which they did not understand, and later the same expression was commonly used: to speak in "gringo ." From this came the saying that when people in America first began to see English people, and not understanding their language, they said that they spoke in "gringo ," and from this is still why the common people, in Chile as in Venezuela, in Buenos Aires as in Mexico, call all foreigners "gringos ," even if they were born in Leipzig or Copenhagen.

Rather than a “precise use of language”, I suggest you are practicing a “general use of language”.

People from EU countries are not likely to often refer to themselves using the general term “European”. They are more likely to use a more precise term such as French, Austrian, Greek, German, etc. People from Asia are likely to refer to themselves using precise terms such as Vietnamese, Thai, Laotian, etc., not the more general “Asian”.

Similarly, people from the Americas are likely to refer to themselves more precisely than more generally. My colleague from Chile referred to himself as Chilean. My coworker from Paraguay referred to her self as Paraguayan. These people didn’t refer to themselves as “American” any more than my colleague from New Zealand would refer to herself as being an Oceanian. She was a New Zealander or colloquially, a Kiwi.

The origin of the word “terrific” relates to terror. Something that inspired terror was terrific. But that is not how it is now understood. A Stephen King movie might be referred to as terrific, but a brilliant comedy might be considered to be a terrific movie as well.

I suggest it is useful to use language as it is understood.

I also suggest it is respectful to refer to people as they self-identify. I met a woman in Troncones who spoke unaccented English and spoke Spanish fluently. She lived and worked at her business in Canada seasonally. I asked her whether she was “Mexican”.

She didn’t answer yes or no. She said, “I am Maya.” I henceforth referred to her as being “Maya” as that was her preferred identity.

I hope that all will refer to people as being American if that is how they self-identify; Mexican if that is how they self-identify; or Canadian if that is how they self-identify. And yes, Québécois if that is how they self-identify.

Gracias por jugar, mi estimado. ;-)

It’s not about who wins or loses,

by Little Guy @, Wednesday, June 17, 2026, 18:41 (2 hours, 21 minutes ago) @ ZihuaRob

it’s about how the game is played.

Gracias por jugar, mi estimado. ;-)

The best thing about playing a game that no one will win is that no one will lose either. ;-)

What are we are referred to as? Needs to be put to rest.

by zkaliman, Tuesday, June 16, 2026, 11:18 (1 day, 9 hours, 44 min. ago) @ ZihuaRob

Yup some people refuse to get it. White mans priviledge.

Don’t let others define us

by Little Guy @, Tuesday, June 16, 2026, 14:43 (1 day, 6 hours, 19 min. ago) @ Keytime

I long ago accepted the proposition that I would not allow anyone else to define who I am and that I will not try to impose on others whom they are.

In Mexico, I am a Canadian. In Canada, I might refer to myself as a British Columbian. In British Columbia I might refer to myself as a Vancouver Islander.

In the past I was a Torontonian, or a Calgarian, or a Vancouverite, Regardless of what anyone else wants to call me, I am not now nor have I ever been an American.

If someone who sought and obtained on Mexican citizenship wants to call themself “American”, I am comfortable calling them American. I hope that they will grant me the same consideration and refer to me as a Canadian.

What are we are referred to as? Needs to be put to rest.

by Casa Juan @, Tuesday, June 16, 2026, 20:12 (1 day, 0 hours, 50 min. ago) @ Keytime

when was Greenland first considered part of North America?